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Monday, February 21, 2005

Excerpts from
Steep Uphill Climb to 2012:
Messages from the Mayan Milieu
© Copyright 2002 by Steven McFadden:

"Carlos Barrios was born into a Spanish family on El Altiplano, the highlands of Guatemala. His home was in Huehuetenango, also the dwelling place of the Maya Mam tribe. With other Maya and other indigenous tradition keepers, the Mam carry part of the old ways on Turtle Island (North America). They are keepers of time, authorities on remarkable calendars that are ancient, elegant and relevant. Mr. Barrios is a historian, an anthropologist and investigator. After studying with traditional elders for 25 years since the age of 19, he has also become a Mayan Ajq'ij, a ceremonial priest and spiritual guide, Eagle Clan. Years ago, along with his brother, Gerardo, Carlos initiated an investigation into the different Mayan calendars. He studied with many teachers. He says his brother Gerardo interviewed nearly 600 traditional Mayan elders to widen their scope of knowledge. Carlos Barrios shares:

"The world will not end. It will be transformed... Everything will change...Change is accelerating now, and it will continue to accelerate...If the people of the earth can get to this 2012 date in good


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here is one of his prophectic articles, i find this one to be VERY interesting!!
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Way of the Fifth Sun

"CARLOS BARRIOS was born into a Spanish family on El Altiplano, the highland of Guatemala. His home was in Huehuetenango, also the dwelling place of the Maya Mam tribe. With other Maya and other indigenous tradition keepers, the Mam carry part of the old ways on Turtle Island (North America). They are keepers of time, authorities on remarkable calendars that are ancient, elegant and relevant.

Mr. Barrios is a historian, an anthropologist and investigator. After studying with traditional elders for 25 years since the age of 19, he has also became a Mayan Ajq'ij, a ceremonial priest and spiritual guide, Eagle Clan.

Years ago, along with his brother, Gerardo, Carlos initiated an investigation into the different Mayan calendars. He studied with many teachers. He says his brother Gerardo interviewed nearly 600 traditional Mayan elders to widen their scope of knowledge.

"Anthropologists visit the temple sites," Mr. Barrios says, "and read the steles and inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It's just their imagination... Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed. The indigenous have the calendars, and know how to accurately interpret it, not others."

The Mayan Calendars comprehension of time, seasons, and cycles has proven itself to be vast and sophisticated. The Maya understand 17 different calendars, some of them charting time accurately over a span of more than ten million years. The calendar that has steadily drawn global attention since 1987 is called the Tzolk'in or Cholq'ij. Devised ages ago and based on the cycle of the Pleiades, it is still held as sacred.

With the indigenous calendars, native people have kept track of important turning points in history. For example, the day-keepers who study the calendars identified an important day in the year One Reed, Ce Acatal, as it was called by the Mexicans. That was the day when an important ancestor was prophesied to return, "coming like a butterfly." In the western calendar, the One Reed date correlates to Easter Sunday, April 21, 1519 the day that Hernando Cortez and his fleet of 11 Spanish galleons arrived from the East at what is today called Vera Cruz, Mexico.

When the Spanish ships came toward shore, native people were waiting and watching to see how it would go. The billowing sails of the ships did indeed remind the scouts of butterflies skimming the ocean surface. In this manner was a new era initiated, an era they had anticipated through their calendars. The Maya termed the new era the Nine Bolomtikus, or nine Hells of 52 years each.

As the nine cycles unfolded, land and freedom were taken from the native people. Disease and disrespect dominated. What began with the arrival of Cortez, lasted until August 16, 1987 - a date many people recall as Harmonic Convergence. Millions of people took advantage of that date to make ceremony in sacred sites, praying for a smooth transition to a new era, the World of the Fifth Sun. From that 1987 date until now, Mr. Barrios says, we have been in a time when the right arm of the materialistic world is disappearing, slowly but inexorably.

We are at the cusp of the era when peace begins, and people live in harmony with Mother Earth. We are no longer in the World of the Fourth Sun, but we are not yet in the World of the Fifth Sun. This is the time in-between, the time of transition. As we pass through transition there is a colossal, global convergence of environmental destruction, social chaos, war, and ongoing Earth changes.

All this, Mr. Barrios says, was foreseen via the simple, spiral mathematics of the Mayan calendars. "It will change," Mr. Barrios observes. "Everything will change." He said Mayan Day-keepers view the Dec. 21, 2012 date as a rebirth, the start of the World of the Fifth Sun. It will be the start of a new era resulting from and signified by the solar meridian crossing the galactic equator, and the earth aligning itself with the center of the
galaxy. At sunrise on December 21, 2012 for the first time in 26,000 years the Sun rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic.

This cosmic cross is considered to be an embodiment of the Sacred Tree, The Tree of Life, a tree remembered in all the world's spiritual traditions. Some observers say this alignment with the heart of the galaxy in 2012 will open a channel for cosmic energy to flow through the earth, cleansing it and all that dwells upon it, raising all to a higher level of vibration.

This process has already begun, Mr. Barrios suggested. "Change is accelerating now, and it will continue to accelerate." If the people of the earth can get to this 2012 date in good shape, without having destroyed too much of the Earth, Mr. Barrios said, we will rise to a new, higher level. But to get there we must transform enormously powerful forces that seek to block the way.

A Picture of the Road Ahead

From his understanding of the Mayan tradition and the calendars, Mr. Barrios offered a picture of where we are at and what may lie on the road ahead: The date specified in the calendar Winter Solstice in the year 2012 does not mark the end of the world. Many outside people writing about the Mayan calendar sensationalize this date, but they do not know. The ones who know are the indigenous elders who are entrusted with keeping the tradition. "Humanity will continue," he contends, "but in a different way. Material structures will change. From this we will have the opportunity to be more human."

We are living in the most important era of the Mayan calendars and prophecies. All the prophecies of the world, all the traditions, are converging now. There is no time for games. The spiritual ideal of this era is action. Many powerful souls have reincarnated in this era, with a lot of power. This is true on both sides, the light and the dark. High magic is at work on both sides. Things will change, but it is up to the people how difficult or easy it is for the changes to come about.

The economy now is a fiction. The first five-year stretch of transition from August 1987 to August 1992 was the beginning of the destruction of the material world. We have progressed ten years deeper into the transition phase by now (2002), and many of the so-called sources of financial stability are in fact hollow. The banks are weak. This is a delicate moment for them. They could crash globally if we don't pay attention. If the banks crash ... then we will be forced to rely on the land and our skills. The
monetary systems will be in chaos, and we must then rely on our direct relationship with the Earth for our food and shelter.

The North and South Poles are both breaking up. The level of the water in the oceans is going to rise. But at the same time land in the ocean, especially near Cuba, is also going to rise.

A Call for Fusion

As he met with audiences in Santa Fe, Mr. Barrios told a story about the most recent Mayan New Year ceremonies in Guatemala. He said that one respected Mam elder, who lives all year in a solitary mountain cave, journeyed to Chichicastenango to speak with the people at the ceremony. The elder delivered a simple, direct message. He called for human beings to come together in support of life and light. Right now each person and group is going his or her own way. The elder of the mountains said there is hope
if the people of the light can come together and unite in some way.

Reflecting on this, Mr. Barrios explained: "We live in a world of polarity: day and night, man and woman, positive and negative. Light and darkness need each other. They are a balance. Just now the dark side is very strong, and very clear about what they want. They have their vision and their priorities clearly held, and also their hierarchy. They are working in many ways so that we will be unable to connect with the spiral Fifth World in
2012."

"On the light side everyone thinks they are the most important, that their own understandings, or their group's understandings, are the key. There's a diversity of cultures and opinions, so there is competition, diffusion, and no single focus." As Mr. Barrios sees it, the dark side works to block fusion through denial and materialism. It also works to destroy those who are working with the light to get the Earth to a higher level. They like the energy of the old, declining Fourth World, the materialism. They do not want it to change. They do not want fusion. They want to stay at this level, and are afraid of the next level.

The dark power of the declining Fourth World cannot be destroyed or overpowered. It's too strong and clear for that, and that is the wrong strategy. The dark can only be transformed when confronted with simplicity and open-heartedness. This is what leads to fusion, a key concept for the World of the Fifth Sun.

Mr. Barrios said the emerging era of the Fifth Sun will call attention to a much-overlooked element. Whereas the four traditional elements of earth, air, fire and water have dominated various epochs in the past, there will be a fifth element to reckon with in the time of the Fifth Sun: ether.

The dictionary defines ether as the rarefied element of the Heavens. Ether is a medium. It permeates all space and transmits waves of energy in a wide range of frequencies, from cell phones to human auras. What is "ethereal" is related to the regions beyond earth: the heavens. Ether the element of the Fifth Sun is celestial and lacking in material substance, but is no less real than wood, stone or flesh.

"Within the context of ether there can be a fusion of the polarities," Mr. Barrios said. "No more darkness or light in the people, but an uplifted fusion. But right now the realm of darkness is not interested in this. They are organized to block it. They seek to unbalance the Earth and its environment so we will be unready for the alignment in 2012. We need to work together for peace, and balance with the other side. We need to take
care of the Earth that feeds and shelters us. We need to put our entire mind and heart into pursuing unity and fusion now, to confront the other side and preserve life."

To be Ready for this Moment in History Mr. Barrios told his audiences in Santa Fe that we are at a critical moment of world history. "We are disturbed," he said. "We can't play anymore. Our planet can be renewed or ravaged. Now is the time to awaken and take action."

"Everyone is needed. You are not here for no reason. Everyone who is here now has an important purpose. This is a hard, but a special time. We have the opportunity for growth, but we must be ready for this moment in history."

Mr. Barrios offered a number of suggestions to help people walk in balance through the years ahead. "The prophesied changes are going to happen," he said "but our attitude and actions determine how harsh or mild they are.

" We need to act, to make changes, and to elect people to represent us who understand and who will take political action to respect the earth.

Meditation and spiritual practices are good, but also action. It's very important to be clear about who you are, and also about your relation to the Earth.

Develop yourself according to your own tradition and the call of your heart. But remember to respect differences, and strive for unity.

Eat wisely. A lot of food is corrupt in either subtle or gross ways. Pay attention to what you are taking into your body. Learn to preserve food, and to conserve energy.

Learn some good breathing techniques, so you have mastery of your breath.

Be clear. Follow a tradition with great roots. It is not important what tradition, your heart will tell you, but it must have great roots.

We live in a world of energy. An important task at this time is to learn to sense or see the energy of everyone and everything: people, plants, animals. This becomes increasingly important as we draw close to the World of the Fifth Sun, for it is associated with the element ether - the realm where energy lives and weaves.

Go to the sacred places of the earth to pray for peace, and have respect for the Earth which gives us our food, clothing, and shelter. We need to reactivate the energy of these sacred places. That is our work.

According to Mr. Barrios' reading of the Mayan calendar, if war happens in November 2002 or after, then it's bad, but not catastrophic. But if it happens between April and November 2003, it will be catastrophic. Really bad. It could eventually result in the death of two-thirds of humanity. "So stay active," he said. "If we are active, we can transform the planet. The elders watch to see what happens."

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[AHEM!
[quote]
http://www.historyguy.com/GulfWar2.html

AP photo of U.S. troops in Iraq on July 7, 2003

Despite claims by some U.S. leaders and military officials, the war did NOT end on May 1, 2003! The war continues, as the occupying Coalition troops now face a guerrilla war conducted by those members of the Iraqi Republican Guard, the Saddam Fedayeen and the Shiite militia calling itself the Mahdi Army.

Updates to this website will occur regularly as the war continues.

On March 19, 2003, American and British forces began the Third Persian Gulf War, a conflict which may become popularly known as "Gulf War 2" or the "Second Iraq War," or some other designation. The U.S. government already calls this conflict "Operation Iraqi Freedom." Regardless of what it is called, this conflict is by far the first truly major war of the 21st Century. While considered by many to be another part of the "War on Terror," it is in many ways separate and unique in its own right. In scope of preparation and potential consequences, the new war in Iraq by far overshadows the earlier invasion of Afghanistan.
**Note: The History Guy Website considers this the Third Persian Gulf War, following two previous major international wars involving Iraq in the Persian Gulf region. The First Persian Gulf War lasted from 1980 to 1988 and pitted Iraq against Iran. The Second Persian Gulf War began in 1990 with Iraq's invasion and occupation of Kuwait and ended in 1991 with a Coalition of nations under United Nations authority and led by the United States which forcibly ejected the Iraqi military from Kuwait.
[/quote]
[again: AAAA_HEM! This disturbs me!
"According to Mr. Barrios' reading of the Mayan calendar, if war happens in November 2002 or after, then it's bad, but not catastrophic. But if it happens between April and November 2003, it will be catastrophic. Really bad. It could eventually result in the death of two-thirds of humanity. "So stay active," he said. "If we are active, we can transform the planet. The elders watch to see what happens." "]
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Many Mayan elders and knowledge keepers may be eliminated in the next few years. For the first half of the current Katun (20-year period) the dark side has a lot of power. But that will pass 3 to 4 years from now (2005-6). The tide can turn. Amazing things are going to happen.

One simple but effective prayer technique is to light a white or baby-blue colored candle. Think a moment in peace. Speak your intention to the flame and send the light of it on to the leaders who have the power to make war or peace.

We Have Work to Do

According to Mr. Barrios this is a crucially important moment for humanity, and for earth. Each person is important. If you have incarnated into this era, you have spiritual work to do balancing the planet. He said the elders have opened the doors so that other races can come to the Mayan world to receive the tradition. The Maya have long appreciated and respected that there are other colors, other races, and other spiritual systems. "They know," he said, "that the destiny of the Mayan world is related to the destiny of the whole world."

"The greatest wisdom is in simplicity," Mr. Barrios advised before leaving Santa Fe. "Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness. It's not complex or elaborate. The real knowledge is free. It's encoded in your DNA. All you need is within you. Great teachers have said that from the beginning. Find your heart, and you will find your way."

Carlos Barrios is the author of Kam Wuj: El Libro del Destino, a book published in Spanish that explores Mayan teachings. He is looking for a way to have the book translated and published in English. Mr. Barrios can be contacted via Saq1 Be1 Organization for Mayan and Indigenous Spiritual Studies: HCR 72, Box 142, Ribera, NM 87560 USA"

----freestone

Saturday, February 19, 2005

There is a book, that Haunts me!
I have no idea as to its name, probably long long out of print. It was wrote around 1978, when the carlos Cassandra books were popular and thus "permission" was given to have people write about their own Initiation into shammanism.
a grad student who has visited Mexico several times, goes again to do his grad work in anthropology. He walks the streets of the Mayan land, in south Mexico.
immediately the police arrest him and pitch him into a cell, on Friday, telling him that there are irregularities in his visa and the commissary will come Monday. There is an old man in the cell with him.
this old man turns to him and says, "Good. You are here. I brought you here, I invoked your arrest, from spirit. You are to become my disciple, as I am one of the Record keepers, one of the shammans, of the Old Ways of the mayan people's. When they release you on Monday you will come with me to the village to learn"!

it was done.
this guy was initiated. Finds out that these older men are the record keepers of the old way of the ancient Toltecs/mayas/Aztecs. They know the CORRECT time of the change of the age in 2011/12. He was told...."The white man has the date to be around 2011, but that is wrong, there was a mistake made, and copied by all the others. We know, of course, the CORRECT DATE"!

my!
I cannot find the book anymore. Out of print, no name, no memory of the writer.
the date??!!
it was so far far off, in 1978, that I paid little attention. It was NOT 2011!
it was earlier!!
*quite* earlier!!
after 2000 but far before 2011.

maybe 2005 or 2006!!

I would love to find this book again to check!!

Wednesday, February 16, 2005

from a forum....
http://forum.prophecies.us/viewtopic.php?t=3842

the prophecies premonitions registry site, there are many many earthchange/endtimes prophecies here.
http://www.prophecies.us/
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Take heart, anyone among you who believes he or she is
technologically challenged, you "ain't seen nuthin" yet. This is an
excerpt from a Wall Street Journal article:


1. Compaq is considering changing the command "Press Any Key" to
"Press Return Key" because of the flood of calls asking where the
"Any" key is.


2. AST technical support had a caller complaining that her mouse
was hard to control with the dust cover on. The cover turned out to
be the plastic bag the mouse was packaged in.


3. Another Dell customer called to say he couldn't get his computer
to fax anything. After 40 minutes of troubleshooting, the
technician discovered the man was trying to fax a piece of paper by
holding it in front of the monitor screen and hitting the "Send"
key.


4. Yet another Dell customer called to complain that his keyboard
no longer worked. He had cleaned it by filling up his bathtub with
soap and water and soaking the keyboard for a day, then removing
all the keys and washing them individually.


5. A Dell technician received a call from a customer who was
enraged because his computer had told him he was "Bad and an
invalid." The tech explained that the computer's "bad command" and
"invalid" responses shouldn't be taken personally.



6. A confused caller to IBM was having trouble printing documents.
He told the technician that the computer had said it "couldn't find
printer." The user had also tried turning the computer screen to
face the printer-but that his computer still couldn't "see" the
printer.


7. An exasperated caller to Dell Computer Tech Support couldn't get
her new Dell Computer to turn on. After ensuring the computer was
plugged in, the technician asked her what happened when she pushed
the power button. Her response, "I pushed and pushed on this foot
pedal and nothing happened." The "foot pedal" turned out to be the
computer's mouse...


8. Another customer called Compaq tech support to say her brand new
computer wouldn't work. She said she unpacked the unit, plugged it
in and sat there for
20 minutes waiting for something to happen. When asked what
happened when she pre ssed the power switch, she asked, "What power
switch?"


9. Another IBM customer had trouble installing software and rang
for support. "I put in the first disk, and that was OK. It said to
put in the second disk, and had some problems with the disk. When
it said to put in the third disk, I couldn't even fit it in..." The
user hadn't realized that "Insert Disk 2" implied removing Disk 1
first.


10. A story from a Novell NetWare SysOp: CALLER: "Hello, is this
Tech Support?" TECH: "Yes, it is. How may I help you?" CALLER: "The
cup holder on my PC is broken -and I am within my warranty period.
How do I go about getting that fixed?" TECH: "I'm sorry, but did
you say a cup holder?" CALLER: "Yes, it's attached to the front of
my computer." TECH: "Please excuse me. If I seem a bit stumped,
it's because I am. Did you receive this as part of a promotional at
a trade show? How did you get this cup holder? Does it have any
trademark on it?" CALLER: "It came with my computer. I don't know
anything about a promotional. It just has '4X' on it." At this
point, the Tech Rep had to mute the caller because he couldn't
stand it. He was laughing too hard. The caller had been using the
load drawer of the CD-ROM drive as a cup holder and it had snapped
it off the drive.


11. A woman called the Canon help desk with a problem with her
printer. The tech asked her if she was "running it under windows."
The woman responded, "No, my desk is next to the door. But that is
a good point. The man sitting in the cubicle next to me is under a
window and his printer is working fine."


12. And last but not least: TECH SUPPORT: "O.K. Bob, let's press
the control and escape keys at the same time. That brings up a task
list in the middle of the screen. Now type the letter "P" to bring
up the Program Manager." CUSTOMER: "I don't have a 'P'". TECH
SUPPORT: "On your keyboard, Bob." CUSTOMER: "What do you mean?"
TECH SUPPORT: " 'P' on your keyboard, Bob." CUSTOMER: "I'm not GOING TO DO THAT!
_________________
"You get what you concentrate on. There is no other rule." SETH

from a forum....
http://forum.prophecies.us/viewtopic.php?t=3842

the prophecies premonitions registry site, there are many many earthchange/endtimes prophecies here.
http://www.prophecies.us/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Take heart, anyone among you who believes he or she is
technologically challenged, you "ain't seen nuthin" yet. This is an
excerpt from a Wall Street Journal article:


1. Compaq is considering changing the command "Press Any Key" to
"Press Return Key" because of the flood of calls asking where the
"Any" key is.


2. AST technical support had a caller complaining that her mouse
was hard to control with the dust cover on. The cover turned out to
be the plastic bag the mouse was packaged in.


3. Another Dell customer called to say he couldn't get his computer
to fax anything. After 40 minutes of troubleshooting, the
technician discovered the man was trying to fax a piece of paper by
holding it in front of the monitor screen and hitting the "Send"
key.


4. Yet another Dell customer called to complain that his keyboard
no longer worked. He had cleaned it by filling up his bathtub with
soap and water and soaking the keyboard for a day, then removing
all the keys and washing them individually.


5. A Dell technician received a call from a customer who was
enraged because his computer had told him he was "Bad and an
invalid." The tech explained that the computer's "bad command" and
"invalid" responses shouldn't be taken personally.



6. A confused caller to IBM was having trouble printing documents.
He told the technician that the computer had said it "couldn't find
printer." The user had also tried turning the computer screen to
face the printer-but that his computer still couldn't "see" the
printer.


7. An exasperated caller to Dell Computer Tech Support couldn't get
her new Dell Computer to turn on. After ensuring the computer was
plugged in, the technician asked her what happened when she pushed
the power button. Her response, "I pushed and pushed on this foot
pedal and nothing happened." The "foot pedal" turned out to be the
computer's mouse...


8. Another customer called Compaq tech support to say her brand new
computer wouldn't work. She said she unpacked the unit, plugged it
in and sat there for
20 minutes waiting for something to happen. When asked what
happened when she pre ssed the power switch, she asked, "What power
switch?"


9. Another IBM customer had trouble installing software and rang
for support. "I put in the first disk, and that was OK. It said to
put in the second disk, and had some problems with the disk. When
it said to put in the third disk, I couldn't even fit it in..." The
user hadn't realized that "Insert Disk 2" implied removing Disk 1
first.


10. A story from a Novell NetWare SysOp: CALLER: "Hello, is this
Tech Support?" TECH: "Yes, it is. How may I help you?" CALLER: "The
cup holder on my PC is broken -and I am within my warranty period.
How do I go about getting that fixed?" TECH: "I'm sorry, but did
you say a cup holder?" CALLER: "Yes, it's attached to the front of
my computer." TECH: "Please excuse me. If I seem a bit stumped,
it's because I am. Did you receive this as part of a promotional at
a trade show? How did you get this cup holder? Does it have any
trademark on it?" CALLER: "It came with my computer. I don't know
anything about a promotional. It just has '4X' on it." At this
point, the Tech Rep had to mute the caller because he couldn't
stand it. He was laughing too hard. The caller had been using the
load drawer of the CD-ROM drive as a cup holder and it had snapped
it off the drive.


11. A woman called the Canon help desk with a problem with her
printer. The tech asked her if she was "running it under windows."
The woman responded, "No, my desk is next to the door. But that is
a good point. The man sitting in the cubicle next to me is under a
window and his printer is working fine."


12. And last but not least: TECH SUPPORT: "O.K. Bob, let's press
the control and escape keys at the same time. That brings up a task
list in the middle of the screen. Now type the letter "P" to bring
up the Program Manager." CUSTOMER: "I don't have a 'P'". TECH
SUPPORT: "On your keyboard, Bob." CUSTOMER: "What do you mean?"
TECH SUPPORT: " 'P' on your keyboard, Bob." CUSTOMER: "I'm not GOING TO DO THAT!
_________________
"You get what you concentrate on. There is no other rule." SETH

Monday, February 14, 2005

I rewrite my Vision where I was taken to see the history of the human race, and our future history too!!

yes.

about ten years ago, I had this here dream. The dream began when I "awoke" to see

that I was surrounded by several aristrocratic-looking bearded men in white robes: Guides of some sort, in the spirit worlds.

they wanted to take me to see the history of the human race!

We all then floated in the air over an ocean of water and we approached the beach.

I could see a straight line of a beach with a narrow band of sandy beach behind the wavefront shoreline, then about 50 feet back from this shoreline I could see a small

embankment about three feet high, then the land leveled off above this embankment and thus slowly climbed upwards, inland. The "standard" beachfront and land!

it was "inferred" to me, by Them, that the water represented the outer consciousness, the shoreline was the counsciuosness itself, and the flat sandy beach represented the inner accessible subconscious. The rise of the embankment represented the normally inaccessible unconsciousness. [the race memories are there]

Also, I was "inferred' that this whole scene was not for any ONE's personal memories, this whole scene was a representation of the collective important events in mankind's history.

we hovered about ten feet off of the ground looking inwards and over what would normally be a path that would have been right next to this embankment. There was no road or path. I could furthermore see that this embankment had little "embayments" in it! As if they were for "exhibits" of something, in a museum!

then one of these masters began to tell me about how we all were over the area of the deep past, thousands of years ago. He showed me, then, how to our left, down the beach, was the past, and that to our right, the sea at our backs, the inner land to our faces, that the right was the future. "future" from that vantagepoint, thousands of years ago. The whole of that beachfront was like a long long "hall" in a museum, where there would be a timeline, and the exhibits are in niches in the left wall, as we all walked along the northwards facing hall. We began long long ago. Unfortunately I cannot remember the exhibits of long ago!! Each one represented an important milestone in the development of the human race, collectively.

we came to what He says is "1 BC...30 AD" I could see on the embankment the three crosses of Christianity. The guide mentions the life of Jesus. Soon we came up to the only other remembered exhibit: an object with a Nazi swastika on it. This represented the Nazi period of the 1930s...40s. [i was born in 1941]

we all still hovered about three feet off of the ground, over what would have been the path, the "hall", next to the exhibits. I turned, then, around to look out over the sea. Then I saw a very VERY strange Object that looked to be a small tower about ten feet tall and it had "funny" looking objects on the top of it, about 12 of them. This tower was on the shoreline, half way in the water and half on the land.

they did not tell me what this object is, it took me until NOW to sense what this object is....The only such object on and in this whole scene.

the "clock hands" of course! This is "now", Jan 2005! This object is the "wavefront" of "now", and I moves along the beach, northwards, keeping Time, so that any "exhibit" to its behind is in the past.

to our North, thusly, is the FUTURE, I turned to look North, into the future.

I could, of course, see nothing out of the ordinary except a long beachfront and a long shoreline/embankment, stretching far far far off into the distance: the "exhibit

niches" were empty, as the future has not been lived yet!!

but there WAS one thing seen of note! A HUUUUUGE thing of note, sports fans!

[probably why they brought me here to see this all in the first place, as it seemed to be utterly unimportant to them that I could not remember any of the past's exhibits!]

About 20 to 50 feet futher North, further into the future, I could see a canal-like

stream coming down from the highlands and into the sea. A ten foot wide creek. There was no delta or such, just the stream making right angle corner with the sea as it entered. I could also see that this creek had small embankments along each side of it and also a small ten foot wide beach for each side too!

I suddenly KNEW that this creek is not to be Crossed! No one can cross it, wade through it: might as well have been a canyon a mile deep!

I have tried to imagine just how far this creek is, ahead of 2005! As this dream is now ten years old, the "now" in this dream must have been about 1994.

As I compare, in my memory, sitting at the computer typing this, that looking back in memory to the image of the Nazi object and then comparing that distance to the creek, where the "now clock-tower is next to me...Why this creek is about 15 to 30 years upline, north, of 1994. Five to 30 years from now, maybe less...

the dream ends; message received!!

now *this* is where many prophets err! They make an interpretation *about* their received vision and it looks like, to the reader, that this interpretation is part of the prophecy! Thus the vision is True but the outcome is mis-interpreted, thus the whole prophecy is then discarded!

thus now, from now on, in my article, I have to say out right that anything that I will write about, is only my ego interpretation!

what IS this creek?! First off, it is not for me alone. This is a collective thing, all must walk the history hall!

the creek?

this is where the whole human race turns Inwards, where all EARTH history stops! All of humanity's future lies in a spirit world level, one or more levels ABOVE the physical, in vibration! Everyone will turn left and follow that beach up the creek, up the hillside, up the mountain, until the very Spiritual SpringSource has been reached, in racial progressions, at the base of God's mountain. But there are many many "plateaus" to live on, in the ages and ages to come.

the other side of this creek?! This is for the New Race to come from, as they come "down" the mountain to incarnate, collectively, onto the earth, to collectively begin THEIR "history nich-fillings" as they all travel up north along the beach, as that clocktower moves onwards to the north.

think: the graduation of the high school class of Public School 666, all the kids assemble in the auditorium for their diplomas, soon off to College! But in another auditorium, the welcoming orientation is being given to the NEW CLASS of the next school year, which begins on the same day that the graduation class leaves!

racial graduation to the spirit world, perhaps no more Incarnations ever ever again back to earth. Collective ascending! ie..."The Rapture"....The rapture in slow motion, taking 60 years!

note!

---there is not one single mention, by the guides, or by any inferences in the geology of this "creek", or of any "niches that infer by exhibit"....That there would be any "end time earth changes"!! I stress this, sports fans! After all,

if this Graduation takes 60 years, or so, to take place, we all will die by DEATH!

not by earthchanges! By old age, sickness, accidents...etc.

[but of course, "as above so below" might infer such "instant graduation"

as needed by earthchanges! I could not tell, from this dream!]

while this creek would be a very very good model for *A* person's personal

graduation [death], ascending to spirit, then getting a new reincarnational assignment, then coming back to earth on the other, north, side of this creek; this whole geological scene is TOLD to me to be "the history of the Race", not of just for me, or for you, or for an individual person. Thus the creek is 'collective".

again: in 5 to 30 years, we all turn left, and then enter the racial unconscious and climb upwards: the next level. We all will live in "a new heaven", and that heaven will be our "physical" world, having spiritual laws, not natural laws, as its underPinnings!

---furthermore...This is probably why we all have been "urged" to grow and to change, live ten years per one year, in our stress filled Times, as the more windows opened in this life means that more windows will be opened onto heaven possibilities from our heavenly house, upon arrival. The more Tickets of soul punched, now, means that our tickets will then admit us to a heavenly temple for each hole punched, like of the temple of Music..Poetry, mind...Etc.

"final judgment" in a better term, might be then..."pyscho-social assessments" to evaluate our talents and then what could they be then put to use for, in this new World of spirit.

there. I give permission to quote or send, any of this article...

freestone Wilson

I rewrite my Vision where I was taken to see the history of the human race, and our future history too!!

yes.

about ten years ago, I had this here dream. The dream began when I "awoke" to see

that I was surrounded by several aristrocratic-looking bearded men in white robes: Guides of some sort, in the spirit worlds.

they wanted to take me to see the history of the human race!

We all then floated in the air over an ocean of water and we approached the beach.

I could see a straight line of a beach with a narrow band of sandy beach behind the wavefront shoreline, then about 50 feet back from this shoreline I could see a small

embankment about three feet high, then the land leveled off above this embankment and thus slowly climbed upwards, inland. The "standard" beachfront and land!

it was "inferred" to me, by Them, that the water represented the outer consciousness, the shoreline was the counsciuosness itself, and the flat sandy beach represented the inner accessible subconscious. The rise of the embankment represented the normally inaccessible unconsciousness. [the race memories are there]

Also, I was "inferred' that this whole scene was not for any ONE's personal memories, this whole scene was a representation of the collective important events in mankind's history.

we hovered about ten feet off of the ground looking inwards and over what would normally be a path that would have been right next to this embankment. There was no road or path. I could furthermore see that this embankment had little "embayments" in it! As if they were for "exhibits" of something, in a museum!

then one of these masters began to tell me about how we all were over the area of the deep past, thousands of years ago. He showed me, then, how to our left, down the beach, was the past, and that to our right, the sea at our backs, the inner land to our faces, that the right was the future. "future" from that vantagepoint, thousands of years ago. The whole of that beachfront was like a long long "hall" in a museum, where there would be a timeline, and the exhibits are in niches in the left wall, as we all walked along the northwards facing hall. We began long long ago. Unfortunately I cannot remember the exhibits of long ago!! Each one represented an important milestone in the development of the human race, collectively.

we came to what He says is "1 BC...30 AD" I could see on the embankment the three crosses of Christianity. The guide mentions the life of Jesus. Soon we came up to the only other remembered exhibit: an object with a Nazi swastika on it. This represented the Nazi period of the 1930s...40s. [i was born in 1941]

we all still hovered about three feet off of the ground, over what would have been the path, the "hall", next to the exhibits. I turned, then, around to look out over the sea. Then I saw a very VERY strange Object that looked to be a small tower about ten feet tall and it had "funny" looking objects on the top of it, about 12 of them. This tower was on the shoreline, half way in the water and half on the land.

they did not tell me what this object is, it took me until NOW to sense what this object is....The only such object on and in this whole scene.

the "clock hands" of course! This is "now", Jan 2005! This object is the "wavefront" of "now", and I moves along the beach, northwards, keeping Time, so that any "exhibit" to its behind is in the past.

to our North, thusly, is the FUTURE, I turned to look North, into the future.

I could, of course, see nothing out of the ordinary except a long beachfront and a long shoreline/embankment, stretching far far far off into the distance: the "exhibit

niches" were empty, as the future has not been lived yet!!

but there WAS one thing seen of note! A HUUUUUGE thing of note, sports fans!

[probably why they brought me here to see this all in the first place, as it seemed to be utterly unimportant to them that I could not remember any of the past's exhibits!]

About 20 to 50 feet futher North, further into the future, I could see a canal-like

stream coming down from the highlands and into the sea. A ten foot wide creek. There was no delta or such, just the stream making right angle corner with the sea as it entered. I could also see that this creek had small embankments along each side of it and also a small ten foot wide beach for each side too!

I suddenly KNEW that this creek is not to be Crossed! No one can cross it, wade through it: might as well have been a canyon a mile deep!

I have tried to imagine just how far this creek is, ahead of 2005! As this dream is now ten years old, the "now" in this dream must have been about 1994.

As I compare, in my memory, sitting at the computer typing this, that looking back in memory to the image of the Nazi object and then comparing that distance to the creek, where the "now clock-tower is next to me...Why this creek is about 15 to 30 years upline, north, of 1994. Five to 30 years from now, maybe less...

the dream ends; message received!!

now *this* is where many prophets err! They make an interpretation *about* their received vision and it looks like, to the reader, that this interpretation is part of the prophecy! Thus the vision is True but the outcome is mis-interpreted, thus the whole prophecy is then discarded!

thus now, from now on, in my article, I have to say out right that anything that I will write about, is only my ego interpretation!

what IS this creek?! First off, it is not for me alone. This is a collective thing, all must walk the history hall!

the creek?

this is where the whole human race turns Inwards, where all EARTH history stops! All of humanity's future lies in a spirit world level, one or more levels ABOVE the physical, in vibration! Everyone will turn left and follow that beach up the creek, up the hillside, up the mountain, until the very Spiritual SpringSource has been reached, in racial progressions, at the base of God's mountain. But there are many many "plateaus" to live on, in the ages and ages to come.

the other side of this creek?! This is for the New Race to come from, as they come "down" the mountain to incarnate, collectively, onto the earth, to collectively begin THEIR "history nich-fillings" as they all travel up north along the beach, as that clocktower moves onwards to the north.

think: the graduation of the high school class of Public School 666, all the kids assemble in the auditorium for their diplomas, soon off to College! But in another auditorium, the welcoming orientation is being given to the NEW CLASS of the next school year, which begins on the same day that the graduation class leaves!

racial graduation to the spirit world, perhaps no more Incarnations ever ever again back to earth. Collective ascending! ie..."The Rapture"....The rapture in slow motion, taking 60 years!

note!

---there is not one single mention, by the guides, or by any inferences in the geology of this "creek", or of any "niches that infer by exhibit"....That there would be any "end time earth changes"!! I stress this, sports fans! After all,

if this Graduation takes 60 years, or so, to take place, we all will die by DEATH!

not by earthchanges! By old age, sickness, accidents...etc.

[but of course, "as above so below" might infer such "instant graduation"

as needed by earthchanges! I could not tell, from this dream!]

while this creek would be a very very good model for *A* person's personal

graduation [death], ascending to spirit, then getting a new reincarnational assignment, then coming back to earth on the other, north, side of this creek; this whole geological scene is TOLD to me to be "the history of the Race", not of just for me, or for you, or for an individual person. Thus the creek is 'collective".

again: in 5 to 30 years, we all turn left, and then enter the racial unconscious and climb upwards: the next level. We all will live in "a new heaven", and that heaven will be our "physical" world, having spiritual laws, not natural laws, as its underPinnings!

---furthermore...This is probably why we all have been "urged" to grow and to change, live ten years per one year, in our stress filled Times, as the more windows opened in this life means that more windows will be opened onto heaven possibilities from our heavenly house, upon arrival. The more Tickets of soul punched, now, means that our tickets will then admit us to a heavenly temple for each hole punched, like of the temple of Music..Poetry, mind...Etc.

"final judgment" in a better term, might be then..."pyscho-social assessments" to evaluate our talents and then what could they be then put to use for, in this new World of spirit.

there. I give permission to quote or send, any of this article...

freestone Wilson

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oh BOY!!
a forum too!
I go now to read and to Post!!

freestone

Saturday, February 12, 2005



http://www.geocities.com/swarupa33/inden.html

interesting photos of sathya sai baba. more a bookmark than anything as i want to come back later.

Friday, February 11, 2005

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http://www.quicktopic.com/8/H/qYarJBpGLW7G6/p8.1


here on www.quicktopic.com
is a very old and a *VERY* large and long thread about Sathya sai baba. there are so many allegations about him, a charleton, a fake, or is he God? a guru at least.
there are 3172 posts in this long thread, seven per page! a vertible treasure trove
of info from devotees and ex-devotees about sai baba! so much is here, for the patient.
Topic: sathya sai baba - anti christ?
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Who | When Messages (not accepting new messages)
08-18-2001 07:05 PM ET (US)
Dear all,

For an auspicious start to the new board!!!!

08-17-2001 12:46 AM ET (US)
Testing new board starting
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the thread is dead, the owner quit. i can see why as at the end he was bombarded by a zillion anti-baba posts that were fake!

I have begun my OWN baba thread, at quicktopic!

http://www.quicktopic.com/29/H/FE68KidtskS



Topic: Sathya Sai Baba, 2005, who is he?

Hi all, I am the moderator, welcoming you all.

I have read SO many Sai Baba pro and con articles and posts and threads, over the years. many have died of old age or of banning or of spamming by baba lovers/haters.

So now it is Febuary 2005. Who is Sai baba?
God?
a god?
a guru?
a charleton?
a sex molestor?
a fake?
a man?
---you make the call, and "why".

He is now about 80 years old, he says he will live till he is 95 or so. I read so little about him, now, in the press and media. no more books are for sale about him, unless one were to go to a website.

I will "offically" be Neutral here. I am trying to find out, myself, more about him. Thus this quicktopic might be a good way to get currant opinions and personal experiences about him.

freestone [birth certificate family last name!]

whew!

I am still here and busy as usual. in my slow way, it seems to take me an hour what
other people do in one minute. i have nearly used up all my computer time just to get ready to post!!

I wish to give to everyone two links, one to the hompage and the other to the forums.

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freestone

The other day I was reminded of a book that I read over ten years ago.

I would say that what is in this book, I found to be the very " most scary" thing that I have ever read! This book, privately printed, never got to register on any radar, never got discussed in any new age forum, the "hydrogen bomb" contained in this book, exploded where no one ever heard it!

In my hometown of about 600 people, Interlaken, NY, there is a small public library, and it is very small indeed, perhaps the bookshelves take up all of a square 20 feet by 20 feet, the genealogy room is larger! This is in a town where they build one new house every ten years! I moved back there in the early 90s, and often went to this library.
One day, in the "occult" section, I found a book, this book was the *only* book in the occult section!
DUNDEE DREAMING by ??????
---a newspaper reporter from the [?]Dundee gazette newspaper had a column called "Dundee Dreaming". She collected the dreams of the people of Dundee, NY, a small city about 50 miles away from Interlaken. Then she would print them in the column, the dreams of Dundee. For years she ran this weekly column, and she asked the people of Dundee to submit their dreams. She had once lived in Elmira, NY, and thus in the 70s and 80s had also attended the Jane Roberts Seth Speaks classes.
This book was about this column and about the dreams of the people of that city.

the greatest Dream, was the 130 dreams that people mailed in to her about the man who was drowned in the sailing accident in Seneca lake. They all dreamed that a man drowned, in literal or symbolic language. Only thing was....That the Son of a Founding family was drowned weeks *AFTER* everyone dreamed this!!
[a collective premonitional dream, from over 100 people.]

*this* chapter, while amazing enough, is not the "bomb"! The utterly amazing event that I will write on, came from her own life, as this book is a bit "autobiographical"!

She had just come from one of the Lawyer meetings, her bad marriage had now just been Severed, the divorce was now Real. Stressed her to the max, the proceedings. She wanted to come to her uncle's farm, the childhood farm where she grew up on, for all of her years of childhood, so to heal and recover. She wanted to spend some hours in the barn attic where she spent SO many hours as a child, her 'safe spot", as her own parents lives were not so loving to each other. Her uncle now owned the farm, he just bought it.
She could hear him hammering away in the house as he did some fixing up on the old farmhouse, as she came up the stairs into the attic, unchanged since she was a girl, years ago. There *was* a change, though. The old nine pane window at the end of the attic now had four panes of glass in it, instead of the nine panes that it had when she was there, twenty years ago. She then sat where she always sat, nearly every day of the week that she could get there, as a child. She must have spent 15 years, five days a week, some bit of time in that room. There was only that one window. She now could see more, now that there were only four panes, as there were fewer window frames. She then came closer to the window. She then noticed that there was dust and dirt on the window sill and then on the putty at the bases of the four window panes.
"how *could* this be?" she asked herself! She was now in quite a bit of shock, as it seemed to be apparent that her uncle had never been to repair this window, that the panes have been there for years! After all, she looked out of this nine pane window for over ten years, nearly daily!
*REALLY* in a state of shock, when she asked her uncle about this, and she was told that he had not been up there.
a photo! She knew that there was a photo collection in some room in the house. Yes, the chest was still there and in it were several old albums of musty faded photos from her childhood, taken by her parents.

she found one with that attic in the background. There were four window panes in that window!

NOW....The "floor really did drop out from under her"!! How could this BE??

[be like, sports fans, like that year old white sports car you own, you get up to go to work and find that this white car has "miraculously" turned into a raspberry PINK!! You see by the dirt on the paint that it was not painted overnight! In fact you run to look at a photo taken months ago, only to see that this car has ALWAYS been pink!!]

she finally realized that the window REFLECTED her life, now that she has gotten this divorce from a marriage made when she was only 20 or so, she now had

A FAR WIDER VIEW ONTO LIFE

--and this window, so important to her growing soul, in childhood, reflected this!
More light, more freedom, more awareness. Four panes of glass; not nine.

Consider The Implications, sports fans!
--the outer "objective" world reflects your life inwardly, it changes as you change.
---many people might be able to change a "collective" reality, like of WAR or of EARTHCHANGES like of hurricanes or earthquakes.
---the weather that we have, might reflect the state of the souls of the people living under it!
--airplane contrails are "bad", thus they will make you sick in 20 seconds after
they appear in the sky, and that no doctor can deny the damaged body's symptoms!

this Dundee dreamer lady gave one more example, in this chapter! She had a friend
who took a photo with her camera, of her family, then she lost the camera before she was able to extract the film for development. She then moved five times and two of the moves were across country. Four to six years later she was one day hanging her wash on the clothesline and low and behold when she came out to the clothesline there was a camera hanging on the line. HER camera, as it had film in it and when developed, there were the pictures of her family that she took, still viewable after all those years!
?????
how?

the book is not listed in Google, long out of print, maybe if you were to go to the Home of the Rod Serling Twilight Zone, and visit the Library, you can check it out!
but my hometown of Interlaken, with its one room library *IS* the home of the twilight Zone, as 1955-1963 rod serling had his summer cottage there, a mile from Interlaken, on Cayuga lake: he wrote his scripts on the porch. He often was seen in town, and many of the stories used the town: "you cant go home again"...He revisited the town to walk it, the town was interlaken, I know where that carousel was!!

so ponder, if ye will, the Implications of that attic window!!

freestone

Wednesday, February 09, 2005



http://www.scotland-flavour.co.uk/
here is a lake for you, in scotland.

a quiet day. just a photo of an amazing looking place.

Tuesday, February 08, 2005

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https://www.orkut.com/

ORKUT

is an online community that connects people through a network of trusted friends.

We are committed to providing an online meeting place where people can socialize, make new acquaintances and find others who share their interests.

AFFILIATED WITH GOOGLE.

orkut is unique, because it's an organically growing network of trusted friends. That way we won't grow too large, too quickly and everyone will have at least one person to vouch for them.

If you know someone who is a member of orkut, that person can invite you to join as well. If you don't know an orkut member, wait a bit and most likely you soon will.

We look forward to having you as part of the orkut community.





COULD SOMEONE PLEASE INVITE ME to orkut?





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from the new york times....



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February 7, 2005
Hate Messages on Google Site Draw Concern
By GARY RIVLIN

AN FRANCISCO, Feb. 6 - Over the last year, millions of Internet users have gravitated to Orkut, a Web site created and run by Google that permits people, by invitation only, to join any of a long list of online communities.

Communities have been created around a shared interest in photography, Miles Davis's music and travel to offbeat places. A small minority, however, advance a hatred for Jews, blacks or gays, including a "Death to the Jews" site and a site called "Death to Blacks."

By now no one should be surprised that people use the Internet to spread repugnant views about race, religion or sexuality. But what is different about Orkut, online specialists say, is that the hate-filled dialogues are taking place inside a members-only social network site that - at least in theory - strictly forbids this kind of conduct in its user's agreement.

The hatemongering is fast becoming an embarrassment for Google, the world's most popular search engine, particularly because the company has adopted "don't be evil" as its motto. The potential for tarnishing Google's gold-plated brand name also underscores the risks the company faces as it expands into new Internet businesses in which it has less experience.

"Given the prestige and familiarity of Google, I think this is an important development, if not quite radically new," said Cass R. Sunstein, a professor of law at the University of Chicago and author of the book "Republic.com," which concludes that the Internet inadvertently helps foster extreme viewpoints.

For Google, the trouble on Orkut - which is still in beta, or test, form - could easily escalate. A prosecutor in Brazil, where the service is especially popular, has already initiated an investigation into some of the more virulent Orkut sites.

For the moment, Google is not saying much about the issue. In response to a request for comment, a Google spokeswoman, Eileen Rodriguez, wrote in an e-mail message, "There are instances when orkut.com members misuse the service, but it is a very small number compared to everyone who uses it. There is a certain amount of trust we have to place in our users." Google would not pinpoint the number of people signed up for Orkut, but characterized it as "millions."

Orkut members are required to follow the company's "terms of service and community standards," Ms. Rodriguez wrote, which state that "an account cannot upload, transmit or contain material that is hateful or offensive based on race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, gender or sexual orientation."

When users "don't follow these terms and we are made aware of an issue, we take the necessary steps, which may include removing the content," she said. Google would not say if it had ever taken such action.

Internet law and custom generally exempt Internet service providers from responsibility for the behavior of their users. But when it comes to social networking sites like Orkut that invite users to seek out potential business contacts, dates or like-minded souls through links with friends and friends of friends, the responsibilities of the Internet host are more ambiguous.

"When these new tools are introduced to the social world, the social norms, like manners and etiquette, and basic questions of who's responsible for what, get all scrambled," said Lee Rainie, director of the Pew Internet and American Life Project. "What we're seeing is the havoc that the Internet wreaked on plenty of business is now playing out in the social world."

Despite the company's stated policies, Orkut users - who are allowed to participate only if invited by a current member - can join the 2,300 people who already belong to an "I Hate Queens, Faggots and Gays" group, created in August by a Brazilian Orkut member. When setting up the community, the group's founder described it as a forum for Portuguese-speaking people to "show your indignation and make jokes" about a "type of person" who "is gaining in society." Because access to the Orkut site requires membership, general Internet users cannot stumble accidentally onto these groups.

Orkut members can also sign up to join a myriad of communities dedicated to despising people of color, including one in English that advocates the founder's position of death to all black people.

The founder of that group, Kiarash Poursaleh, who described himself in his profile as an 18-year-old living in Tehran, also listed "Mein Kampf" by Hitler as a favorite book, named "shooting" as his favorite sport and described his humor as "friendly." All members create a personal profile and can add their own communities to the Orkut site.

Mr. Poursaleh has joined dozens of other English-language Orkut communities, including the "Adolf Hitler SS Army Fan Club" and an "anti-Jewry" community, as well as a group for fans of the television show "Friends."

Mr. Poursaleh, who did not respond to an e-mail request for an interview, is also a member of "Anti-Arab Iranians," a community with the motto, "We Hate Arabs!!! Kill Them All!"

Other social networking sites have confronted similar issues of hatemongering, but the problem is more pronounced at Orkut because the service encourages people to create and participate in online communities of like-minded individuals. Community groups help to distinguish Orkut from its competitors, like Friendster, the first widely popular social networking site.

Tribe Networks is another social networking site that encourages users to create communities of shared interest. "Mainly we're reactive, rather than proactive, when it comes to these hate sites," said Mark J. Pincus, the chief executive of Tribe, based in San Francisco. "But we have a full-time staffer who looks for these kinds of things and deals with complaints when they come up."

Plugging the word "hate" into the site's search engine delivered a listing of more than 200 "tribes," but they tended to be more humorous and offbeat. Users have created groups for those who hate "the n-word," online dating, dogs, ranch dressing or any of a random list of B-list celebrities (Ryan Seacrest, Brittany Murphy, Carrot Top).

Though Orkut began life a year ago as a venue for Silicon Valley's digerati, now nearly two-thirds of registered users are from Brazil. Google said one explanation for this seemingly inexplicable phenomenon was that Brazilians are quick to adopt new technologies.

In late January, Christiano Jorge Santos, a state prosecutor in São Paulo, began a criminal investigation of some of the hate communities hosted by Orkut. The impetus was the cyberassault of a 13-year-old black child who lives in São Paulo. Those behind a Portuguese language community called "Antiheroes" posted a copy of the child's picture at the site, without his knowledge, and then invited visitors to "unload all your fury on this poor, innocent little black kid. Click on him and get revenge."

Such an action is clearly criminal under Brazilian law, Mr. Santos said. "That's racism, and in Brazil racism is a crime," he said.

Under Brazilian law, it is a crime to practice, induce or incite discrimination or prejudice on the grounds of race, color, ethnicity, religion or national origin. If convicted, offenders could serve two to five years in prison, in addition to paying a sizable fine.

"The U.S. is pretty unusual providing the broad protection we do to hate speech," said Professor Sunstein. In "South America, Europe - Google could have problems with many other jurisdictions."

Mr. Santos, the author of a book on hate crimes in Brazil, is targeting "all the communities that use racist and discriminatory terms on the site www.orkut.com," according to documents he filed in court. Because Brazilian law does not include discrimination based on sexuality in its criminal code, those behind sites like "I Hate Transvestites" would not face criminal charges.

Among the Orkut groups that Mr. Santos has focused on is a "Death to Blacks" site, written in Portuguese. That group's founder, Alex Pazzo, also created the "Death to the Jews" group, also written in Portuguese. (Mr. Pazzo did not respond to an e-mail message, sent through the Orkut system, seeking comment.)

It is also unlikely that Google could be held criminally responsible in a Brazilian court, Mr. Santos said, since he would have to prove that the company was intentionally complicit in disseminating racist materials. Nevertheless, Google could be sued for damages in a Brazilian civil court, he said, because of a lack of precautionary measures against racist crimes.

Other Portuguese-language Orkut groups include "I Hate Argentines," "I Hate Transvestites" and "I Hate the Universal Church," which refers to the evangelical church popular among Brazil's poor. The majority of the Orkut hate sites seem to be written in Portuguese, but many are written in English as well.

For instance, an English-language "Anti-Jews" site, created in November, lists Schenectady, N.Y., as its home base. The community logo is a caricature of a man with a Star of David tattooed on his forehead. The site was created by Timothy Schultz, an Orkut member who says in his profile that he was born in Germany but now lives in the United States. He describes his mother as "Persian," but assures those reading his Orkut profile that both parents are "Aryan."

The group's mission statement declares that it matters not whether members are Christian, Muslim or Buddhist, "the fact is we are all angry about what they have done and what they are doing to human beings all around the world." While the group has only 98 members, they come from a variety of places around the globe, like Iran, Korea and Marblehead, Mass.

In one of the oddities of an online universe in which software, not a human brain, is behind a service, Orkut lists a "Jesus Christ" site ("for people who love Jesus") as a "related community" to "Anti-Jews."

At the Anti-Jews site, when a woman going by the screen name Wasay 666 said that she was against the murder of Jews, several posters scoffed at her view.

What concerns Professor Sunstein is that "if you get like-minded people together around a hatred of Jews, or blacks, or whatever, they end up being more hateful."


Todd Benson contributed reporting from Brazil for this article.


Friday, February 04, 2005

hi all,

yes yet another dream where i have "end time material"!!

I vauguely recall that last night i dreamed that i was in a house full of old junk. there were others with me, someone found a map that looked like a roadmap of a state of the usa. funny looking map, as i noted that, as i am familiar with road maps of all the states, that no city or territory was familiar in name except one, "Ithaca". this city was
at the top of the map.
we talked of 'end times" and warnings, in the dream itself, us three or four people discussed this map and its implications.
there was a broad strip of RED all across the map, as if someone overprinted the map with bright red blood colored pigment. from left to right, leaving the top free of color and then a small section across the bottom.

????
when i awoke, i pondered a minute. that city, "Ithaca" was the city i was born in, thus as this city was at the very very top of the map, centered in the middle of this map at the top, i figured that this map showed the progression of Time, north to south. As if one began to travel south from ithaca, i travel in my life, southwards, from that point. thus, a timeline is established.

there was a range of mountains to the south just above the red. i take this point to be
NOW, feb 3 2005.
soon the "red" will be entered. then "we" will "come out" of the red.

the others who were with me, in the dream, were a bit scared as there was that feeling that some Interesting Times are ahead, VERY close ahead!

--then again, this is just a map and a dream, could be wrongly interpeted or even wrong, period, just a spasm of my dream self!

could just be of my own impending death followed by reincarnation onto the earth, but somehow, i had not that feeling, with the wakeup thinkings or in the dream itself! the map seemed to be "objective"; coming from outside of myself, thus the map might be "collective", in warnings!

I have seen ever more such dreams from other people, of late. "heads up" i guess. perhaps this map timeline thing is "objective", coming from spirit, either a warning or perhaps something set in stone, as there seems to be, in this dream, no "corrective action" that is to be taken to keep the red from occuring!

sigh....I will have to now watch ALL my dreams and to keep all posted!!

freestone

Thursday, February 03, 2005



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