here is One for ya, a Mormon writer's site, where he writes many interesting articles, and here is one that probably will be
"match and gasoline", for you all to read, i wonder what the replies to *this* article find, will be?!
Is God Speaking in Natural Disasters?
[was written before 2005!]
1...Is there a correlation between so-called "natural disasters" and breaking the commandments of God? Sometimes both events are found side-by-side on the front page of the newspaper. For example, on June 7, 1998, some Florida newspapers reported the beginning of a huge wild fire in that state and also applauded the successful Gay Day celebration at Disney World, both having occurred on the previous day.
Recent wild fire in southern California. Now, was that just a coincidence that those events occurred together? With modern statistical methods, a scientific study could be performed on a large sampling of data to evaluate the proposal that sin and catastrophes are related. Before we discuss such a study, let's consider how man has looked at this very question in the past.
2...For example, on Oct. 17, 1989, a magnitude 7.1 earthquake hit San Francisco during a Pro Abortion Rally. Of course, it was also during a myriad of other events, so maybe there was no connection. On June 28, 1992, southern California experienced a very strong earthquake on "Gay Pride Day." Are those just chance coincidences? They might be, that is why a detailed study is needed of many such events. Sometimes, however, there is an unlikely twist included which makes a connection seem more likely.
One such example was Hurricane Opal (1995). It had been classified as a mere category 2 hurricane, which the residents of Florida could easily prepare for. On Oct. 2, 1995 there was a pro-abortion ruling from the Supreme Court. Suddenly, and without any advance warning, the storm increased overnight into a devastating category 5 hurricane. Moreover, it made a sharp turn and headed straight for Florida. One article described this as the worst possible scenario: that residents go to bed after preparing for a small storm only to be awakened by a huge one. It is difficult to scientifically evaluate something like a storm changing direction and intensifying unexpectedly right at the time of a Supreme court decision. If a study were done, it would need to consider both how unlikely the natural event was and also how closely timed with the public event.
3...Perhaps the next level up of experiment is to try actually praying to God to see if it alleviates the problem. Let us continue with the case noted at the beginning of this article, that of Gay Day at Disney World in 1998. There was a prayer vigil held addressing the Gay Day festivities, which ended at 2:30 p.m. on June 6. About that same time on that same day, a huge fire erupted which began to spread across the state of Florida. It quickly got totally out of control and burned some 500,000 acres. All fire fighting forces were called out, but to no avail. The same Pres. Clinton who had just written a statement applauding Gay Day, soon declared Florida to be a disaster. But that proclamation did nothing to put out the fire. When there seemed to be no other alternative, Gov. Chiles asked everyone to pray for rain. Right when things looked the worst, namely, that the fires would combine into one long chain which could sweep across the entire state, suddenly the rain came and dowsed the fire. Again, it would be hard to prove any relation between the prayer and the rain, but, on the other hand, it would be even harder to prove to those who had prayed that there was no relation.
here is yet more....
[grit your teeth!]
from the site...
Katrina and Religion
September 7 2005
[in part, go to link to read all...]
And what did religion offer as “reasons” for the disaster?
On August 31, 2005, the leader of Philadelphia-based “Repent America” issued a statement. Michael Marcavage claimed Katrina was God’s purposeful, justified destruction of “a wicked city.” Aside from Mardi Gras, notorious antigay campaigner Marcavage was certain a pissed-off “God” targeted New Orleans because it was scheduled to host a gay event over Labor Day weekend. But what of the men, women and children killed and injured or left homeless and hopeless by Katrina?
Marcavage’s answer: too bad, screw ‘em, they deserved it. In his own words…
Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city. From “Girls Gone Wild” to “Southern Decadence,” New Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. …
Let us pray for those ravaged by this disaster. However, we must not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long.
Sounds like Rev. Jerry Falwell after 9/11, doesn’t it?
Also on August 31, 2005, and in the same city – the “City of Brotherly Love” – Louis Farrakhan claimed Katrina was “God’s” targeted, justified wrath, but for a different political purpose:
Farrakhan: God punishing U.S. for Iraq with storm
Speaking to a large crowd in South Philadelphia last night [August 31, 2005], Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan suggested that the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina was divine punishment for the violence America had inflicted on Iraq.
That’s what’s so nice about the “God’s wrath” thing. It fits whatever social or political cause you’re advocating.
A statement from a group associated with al-Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi agreed with Farrakhan’s assessment: “God attacked America and the prayers of the oppressed were answered. … The wrath of the All-powerful fell upon the nation of oppressors. Their dead are in the thousands and their losses are in the billions.”
The lead story and bold headline in the September 1, 2005 “news summary” – emailed at 16:10:39 – from Christian news service Agape Press read:
Katrina’s Devastation – God’s Punishment for New Orleans’ Wildness?
While relief agencies continue to reach out to the victims of Hurricane Katrina in the Southeast, violence and looting in the areas struck by the storm has National Guardsmen and law enforcement changing their priorities. Read More
Clicking on the “read more” brought up an August 2005 non-descript article entitled “Church at crossroads - competing worldviews” by American Family Association founder and chairman Rev. Don Wildmon. The article did not mention Katrina at all, nor did it have anything to do with the disasters in New Orleans, Mississippi or Alabama. But the headline was the real “religious” message: believe (and vote) as we tell you to or else…
That apocalyptic edict was also the theme of Rev. Bill Shanks, pastor of New Covenant Fellowship of New Orleans. According to another Agape Press story, for years Shanks “has warned people that unless Christians in New Orleans took a strong stand against such things as local abortion clinics, the yearly Mardi Gras celebrations, and the annual event known as ‘Southern Decadence’ – an annual six-day ‘gay pride’ event scheduled to be hosted by the city this week – God’s judgment would be felt.”
Shanks thanked Katrina:
New Orleans now is abortion free. New Orleans now is Mardi Gras free. New Orleans now is free of Southern Decadence and the sodomites, the witchcraft workers, false religion – it’s free of all of those things now. … God simply, I believe, in His mercy purged all of that stuff out of there. …
Apparently the pastor and his “God” enjoyed the devastation and human suffering. Talk about “false religion” and “witchcraft.” Rev. Shanks represents both quite well, as does Rev. Fred Phelps who used Katrina to further his usual irrational “religious” message.
Anticipation of even greater devastation and death seemed to excite talk-radio host George Noory. The September 1, 2005 World Net Daily article was entitled “Radio host: No doubt ‘End Times’ here”:
A national talk-radio host believes the severity of Hurricane Katrina is clear evidence that civilization is now in the “End Times” described in the Bible.
“I don't think there’s any doubt,” George Noory said this morning on his “Coast to Coast AM” program. “I think we’re in it. I really do.”
In true apocalyptic form, Noory cited Revelation to confirm that we are in “the beginning of the end” of humanity’s existence.
There seems no shortage of people who use religion to argue that “God” gets pissed off and kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people (including clerics) while smiting the few “He” supposedly has a problem with.
that article, above, is sure "acid" in its descriptions!
My teeth grit a bit!
Now, peanut gallery, all you have to do is to go read a bit of the prophecies in the forum sections on "predictions" and "pemonitions", to find Predictions like of this: "God Will Punish us all, America, the world, or
Sinners, for our sins of [fill in the blank ......... ]!
I had just yesterday, posted a long long article about how many psychics and spiritual writers, both here on earth, and channeling from the spirit worlds, tell of how we have a certain number of "Probable, Possible, collective futures"; most infer that there are from four to ten such futures.
Each of these futures has a certain "flavor" to them, the writers
usually rank them from "worst to best". From total ruin and dispair, to
Heaven on earth goodness.
The major point, of most of these writers, is that we all are creating ONE of these futures, a future that is only a few years away, by our collective and personal acts, feelings, ideas, NOW, today.
Thus you and I are helping to determine what collective life will be like in, say, 2008 or 2012.
I find that these "ranters" of the "God will punish", does not help matters much! Many of the writers who use this term, i find, cannot separate their own Bias from what they feel that God dislikes! one such writer, a long long article, i detected through the writings that he is a raw food
devotee, amoungst other Biases such as what he said about president Bush!!
While I am no Bush lover, when i pick up the Tone of great anger in an article, usually their will be a Bias, a slant towards an Ideolgy, where he is "right" and all of us are "very very Wrong and need to come around Now"!
Now why am i a bit "over-writing" here?
because all of these writers, both Christian and new Age, have an adjenda to Push their point of view to sway us all to accept
*THEIR* idea as to what would be a good collective future for us all.
Each of these writers is like one of those seven men who are blind and
are touching a part of an elephant, and each person senses that his part is the real elephant, only!
Being Gay probably does not mean that a hurricane will always dog your life! Eating meat will not doom you to sit outside of the UFO, left behind, that is supposed to pick up the "Saved" newagers, as their Pure rightious
members Ascend in it, on Earth Change Judgement day!
Each of these writers, and belivers, are trying to sway us all to follow their
vision of what must ought to be, and i am not sure at all whether any of them are over 60% right!
I DO feel that there are about ten possible futures, some of them are very very bad indeed, but I hesitate to give any Advice as to what the "best" future might be. How could I, in second grade of grade school, imagine what is best for the 11th grade high schoolers?
In my Interlaken, NY school, there were only 28 kids in my high school graduating class, and all 12 grades were in the same building. I, being in second grade, probably would be glad when 12th grade was over so that now i could go outside and play all day long for the rest of my life, and that i would see "college prep" as the greatest of Evils!
the Point: I would see, as a lower grader, any activity that is planned for the upper grades, to be of "suffering needlessly and useless"!
the other Point: What Spirit *really* intends for the human race, for our collective futures, might seem to be from here and now, of the greatest
evils! even Jesus talks about the need of us to have to go through the
process of sufferings! [the anvil, the sword beaten upon it]
Thus we might deny that Spirit-planned future, us "second graders of
my only advice, then, to help create the best probable future, would be to
---in all that you do, think, feel, and create!
If we all did that, I would imagine that our collective future would be of one of the Better Ones!